It should be noted that annual increases in tuition and fees are possible. Anyone who played in four or fewer was given the redshirt asterisk. There has to be some reason that MN is outranking NDame. One positive you haven't mentioned for MN, and imo it's huge: they have a natural market they dominate. The following is a list of applications to Notre Dame Law School.Use it to compare your profile to others by checking on individual user names. Sure, I'm almost certainly not going to land this fabulous big law job where I make $160,000 and want to die inside. I know a few Notre Dame UG alums and they say that the older alums LOVE helping ND grads up, so I wouldn't be surprised if that attitude is also fostered in the law school. Sure, being top of the class would help for a lot of job prospects, but I don't have a goal of working big law, and therefore the fact that I'll graduate with very little to no debt gives me options to really do what I want to do and/or not feel the pressure of finding a job that's going to help cover my loans. I mean yeah, it's a great school and will get you nearly any job that you want. If you're a good attorney, you're a good attorney. NYC would be nice, but I also like DC a lot. I have a $35k/year offer from Notre Dame which I am negotiating. Which is why I'm most interested in these full tuition and near full tuition offers from schools ranked between 20 and 25. Notre Dame Law School is an academically rigorous program enrolling some of the brightest and most talented law students in the country. It's just hard to justify that decision and leave an extra $50,000 on the table at a school that's ranked equally. There's a bit of a college vibe, since the surrounding area is such a college town. Long term? However, I'm not looking to go to either of those places right away. My main consideration is money, but it's scary taking the gamble of going to UF then having to try for top of the class. ND might be portable but MN is a strong degree in a decent sized market and a great city. Obviously many feel differently. I think I'm in a good position right now - I have several good options. What worries me about Notre Dame is the $110k+ debt. Here you'll have access to information regarding the college and details on their Men's Soccer program like who to make contact with about recruiting, names of past alumni, what scholarship opportunities can be had and ways to start the recruiting process. dual degree with the MBA, Master of Global Affairs, M.A. 26. Are you hoping on money from Minnesota? Press J to jump to the feed. It just depends what your priorities are. Though, if you're dead set on working and living in the region you go to school, and not too concerned with landing big law or clerk ships, this is less of an issue and maybe taking large scholarships from schools outside the t14 may be better. Comments. Everyone tends to live in the same places, so there's a strong sense of community. I’m trying to narrow down my list of schools and I’m super interested in ND, so some perspective would be awesome. It's a pretty good offer but I'd end up paying about twice as much ($110k total versus $55k total) to attend Notre Dame. To be eligible for the Scholarship applicants must: a. I'm not okay with paying sticker anywhere but Harvard or Stanford and I'm not getting into either of those schools with my numbers. Pursuing a dual degree will affect a student's funding from the Law School. Welcome to the University of Notre Dame Men's Soccer scholarship and program info page. Press J to jump to the feed. Notre Dame offers a range of scholarship programs for students. Notre Dame or Minnesota. The Notre Dame Application Either way, the decision is made for you. But even if you do want big law, do you want to be relegated to HAVING to work that job for so many years to be able to pay off almost half a million dollars in student loans? But I'm also not beholden to accept that kind of work solely because of debt. Note that students may be considered for both need-based financial aid and merit-based scholarships, but receiving a merit scholarship may reduce a student’s eligibility for need-based financial aid. Notre Dame argued that the fan's conduct was a The Notre Dame Graduate Program student expense budget can be found here at Notre Dame’s Office of Financial Aid. Much more so than any other school near it in ranking. The Church, State & Society Program enhances the distinctive Catholic mission of the Law School and the University. Academic, Music, Art, Sports and Drama Scholarships are available at 11+, 13+ and Sixth Form. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Everyone loves Minneapolis so I'm sure I'd like the city. I know you said patent work. Graduation Highlights The subreddit for law school admissions discussion. Students pursuing a J.D. I also really dig their approach to community, though, so that's a big factor for why I'm interested. Maybe not the best way to decide, but at least it is a concrete way to do it. You have to figure minnesota to be less portable by some amount. If the school was closer to Chicago or just in a different (less depressing) area, it would probably be high up on my list. Go ahead and withdraw the application from Minnesota. The subreddit for law school admissions discussion. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the lawschooladmissions community, Continue browsing in r/lawschooladmissions. The Brambilla Family Scholarship was established in 2008 by Mary Brambilla McFarland, a member of the Class of 1957, Roxbury in appreciation of the education she and her niece Stephanie Brambilla Doyle, Class of 1994, received at Notre Dame Academy. You can look up its numbers; my guess is it does way better placing regionally than nationally, though it's national numbers shouldn't be too bad. Through this initiative, the University identifies and supports high-achieving students who will most benefit from the Notre Dame undergraduate experience. You can always find fun, enjoyable things to do if you look. How to get into American and Canadian law schools. I'd take the full ride and the knowledge that even if you don't end up with a 160k job, you can climb out of 50k in debt in 5-10 years on most salaries if you are smart with your money. This Essay was originally prepared for the Notre Dame Law Review's 2012 "The American Congress: Legal Implications of The argument about being able to find a job that you really want much easier than from ND or MN may hold some water, but after practicing for several years, no one is going to give a shit that you went to Duke. I can't believe so many people are suggesting taking out so much in loans in order to go to Duke. South Bend was meh in my experience but if you can handle the cold it's fine for law school. I adore Notre Dame and South Bend, and I came here with really bad expectations. '27 . New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the lawschooladmissions community, Continue browsing in r/lawschooladmissions. Edit2: Just wanted to thank everyone for their input - definitely appreciate the outside opinions on my situation. I'd vote Minnesota unless ND matches. I know there are some exceptions, but people can see through the bullshit. Notre Dame High School currently maintains numerous scholarships. The one thing that nobody seems to be willing to talk about is that even if you go to a t14 and go into big law, there's no guarantee that you will stick around long enough to pay off your debt. Scholarship information may be obtained by contacting civic, professional, religious and other community organizations. her and therefore, Notre Dame owed a duty to her, or a fan in her position, to protect her from such conduct. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Edit: 166/3.8, applied to 22 schools, have T14 acceptances. It's a solid school. I'll be applying, that's for sure. This scholarship is offered to a current freshman. I'd rather get myself into a job that I like and get paid less and be able to get in there and start doing some shit rather than going big law for a couple of years doing doc review and making shit load of money and paying half of that do the government. There's a reason burnout rate is so high. There are some truly great spots, and a good deal of exploring. Agree with the comment about South Bend, though the campus itself is beautiful. Mass @ 5:15pm. If you have ambitions of going anywhere else in the near future, then maybe reconsider some of your other acceptances and weigh those. University of Florida Levin College of Law UF Law Scholarship Repository UF Law Faculty Publications Faculty Scholarship 2-2015 The Revolving Door Wentong Zheng ... 1268 notre dame law review [vol. You mention a number of positives for ND and only one for MN (cheaper). Help with law school personal statements, application requirements, and admissions chances. I'm more than happy to answer! Free up some money for everyone else. Approximately 150 Notre Dame clubs offer scholarships from their respective geographic areas. Funded by the University, industry, individuals and non-profit organisations, scholarships are available to prospective and current students. Imagine that monthly loan statement coming in with over $100k on it. I guess I didn't realize how one sided my post is. Thursday - November 19 • • • 0 0 • Please note that Law School scholarships may only be applied to Notre Dame Law School tuition. But it doesn't have great employment statistics outside of Minnesota. You know you'd rather go to ND. Very good school that has national reach. Come by and grab a treat! Or like someone else said, free up some of that money for me. Huge concentration of brilliant faculty who have a conservative and/or Catholic bent. Do you have undergrad debt and how much is too much debt from law school for you? Prospective applicants can learn more about Notre Dame’s merit scholarship programs here. Lol. James I. Smith, III, Notre Dame Law School Scholarship Fund. Personally, South Bend was enough of a turnoff when I visited this summer that I crossed ND right off the list. Students will be advised by participating clubs if any additional steps (e.g., interview, essay) might be required by the local club. I'm waiting on a few decisions from T14 schools, but I'm not expecting much scholarship money from them. What are your goals that you need to be top of the class? Hypothetically, if I was offered $120,000 at ND and full tuition at Minnesota, would your recommendation change? Which gives you the freedom to take a job that, at the moment, you don't see yourself wanting to do or don't even know exists. Duke can get you that. That's a good point that I hadn't really thought of. Does anyone have any thoughts on Notre Dame’s law school here? At the nation’s oldest Roman Catholic law school, Notre Dame Law School encourages students of diverse backgrounds to broaden their social, spiritual, and personal lives while honing their intellectual and professional skills to serve the good of all. One of my biggest concerns is debt. Your employment opportunities skyrocket when you break the t14, especially at Big Law. Interest in the hundreds on top of the principle. They punch above their numbers on federal clerkships because a lot of their faculty feed students to right-wing judges. long as each copy identifies the author, provides a citation to the Notre Dame Law Review, and includes this provision in the copyright notice. I'm biased (as you know from our DM's) but I say come to UMN. It's kind of the inverse of my "job placement elsewhere" argument. I think our lines of reasoning are similar. Go Irish! Demonstrate academic ability through: i. They're equal for all intents and purposes besides $$$ at MN and a better alumni network/ability to land a job outside IN at ND. But the number of options I have is making my decision really difficult. I can't help but think it's because of the alumni network. :') Based off of your post it seems like you really do want to go to Notre Dame instead. The faculty and professors are incredible -- though we just "lost" Amy Barrett to the 7th Circuit. Even without mass scholarship money. And I would make a trip to the TC before making your final decision, as someone who intends to practice here, I think that you may find yourself liking the area more than you thought you would. Notre Dame Law School is the professional graduate law school of the University of Notre Dame.Established in 1869, NDLS is ranked 21st among the nation's "Top 100 Law Schools" by U.S. News & World Report and 20th by Above The Law in their annual Top 50 Law School Rankings It is ranked 8th in graduates attaining federal judicial clerkships and 7th in graduates attaining Supreme Court clerkships. I'm in a similar boat. Both Notre Dame internal students and external applicants are invited to apply for Scholarships. I just meant to emphasize the different between what the schools offer me. Notre Dame certainly has national reach -- the brand and alumni community is unbeatable. I'd take it for free over ND, absolutely. Help with law school personal statements, application requirements, and admissions chances. On paper, it shouldn't be a national school, but it's got fairly decent numbers nationally. Key Dates for 11+ Scholarships for 2021 Year 7 Entry - APPLICATIONS NOW CLOSED We regret that alternative Scholarship Assessment dates are not available. 90:3 Under the influence of the capture narrative, the risk of capture has Simply, you could go to MN with minimal debt, get a job somewhere in Minnesota (if you're fine with that) and enjoy a little less stress since you don't have that large amount of debt over your head, which is certainly worth something. * Redshirted ^ Does not count toward 2021 85-man scholarship limit. Once you decide on those numbers, ask for them and try your best to get them. Good point. As a Catholic member of Notre Dame’s incoming Class of 2024, we invite you to apply for the Rene Lepiane Leadership Award. There is no summer tuition expense for the MGA program. I think that's really the only fair way for me to decide. Many students receive a significant tuition scholarship and/or living stipend. If you're shit, you're shit. I have a full tuition offer (plus the opportunity for a little more) from Minnesota. Campus is also beautiful. And as someone who went to UG in a garbage sink-hole of a city, don't let what people tell you about SB deter you. I've got a near full ride to a Tier 1 school that's right down the road and in the market I want to practice. I don't know where I want to be after law school though. Notre Dame certainly has national reach -- the brand and alumni community is unbeatable. That scares me, and it seems like it scares you. I think you should be going t14 in this situation. It's definitely reputable across the region and probably the country too. More is a group of Notre Dame alumni and friends who make annual gifts back to the Law School to support student fellowships. 2:00-4:00pm, South Reading Room. Agree that South Bend is meh, but it's on the up and up and I personally like a town with a bit of edge. I know I want to do patent law and have the background to do it. To me, those seem like places I'd end up in the prime of my career. But Notre Dame has a stronger network, higher employment statistics, and an impressive name. Demonstrating Implicit Bias In their efforts to assess whether people harbor implicit biases, psychologists have used a variety of methods.9 Standing front and center among these methods, however, is the Implicit Association Test Both of these programs are accepted by Notre Dame, and normally continue through all four years of high school. The College Board's Scholarship Search and FinAid! One such example is Rachel Qingling Wang, a Beijing native and the 2012 Li Ka Shing Foundation’s full scholarship recipient. I'm going for patent law and Minneapolis is a fairly popular city for firms/companies who need patent attorneys. Where do you want to practice in the short term? He was the head coach for the I'm definitely visiting both schools before I make a decision - to see the campuses and negotiate in person. Notre Dame filed a motion for summary judgment, arguing that they did not owe "a legal duty to protect Letitia Hayden from the intentional criminal acts of an unknown third person." Then you get into law school and realize that there is this job that you'd really like to do that pays a little less but you enjoy the work and are fulfilled from it.. and you have the FREEDOM to take that job because you aren't staring down a ton of debt. Which ones are you hoping to get in at? I'm waiting on a few decisions from T14 schools, but I'm not expecting much scholarship money from them. Which will make me decision that much more difficult. Certainly not impossible, but you can't go out to grab coffee with someone after class. It's quite young (the average age of matriculation was 23 when I started, but might be 24 now). I do not have a geographic preference and I don't mind the snow/cold. Which t14 schools are you in at? NOTRE DAME LAW REVIEW A. You can also sort the table by LSAT, GPA, Status and important dates relevant to Notre Dame Law School. I'm in a very similar position with almost exact stats as OP. Frank Carrano Memorial Scholarship I think ND will offer me at least a little bit more money. Agree that South Bend is meh, but it's on the up and up and I personally like a town with a bit of edge. Notre Dame Club Scholarships. There are some truly great spots, and a good deal of exploring. Inspirational Leaders. These scholarships benefit students from all walks of life. It's particularly good if you have an affinity for conservative views and/or FedSoc. The University of Notre Dame currently offers more than 20 such scholarships, which typically provide recipients with an annual award of $25,000, for a total of $100,000 over four years, and in some cases generous enrichment funding for scholarship, service, and leadership projects. Those jobs pay so well because they're brutal. My advice would be for you to try your hardest to leverage what you have into scholarship offers. To me that says you want ND. Everything I've read about NDLS fascinates me tbh. The Regina D. Merenda Scholarship is awarded to current sophomores and juniors with financial need who are involved in one or more aspects of Notre Dame’s Visual and Performing Arts program, including art, music, and drama. Scholarship and Tuition Assistance From Outside Sources. If that's your ultimate goal, then T14 is really the only way to extremely maximize that. You hit on something important that one of my coworkers brought up to me recently - the freedom that not having debt would give me. The chosen recipient, a student who has demonstrated leadership skills in her school and/or community, will be awarded a scholarship in the amount of $1,000 that will be distributed in $250 payments over four years. Inner City Scholarship Fund “Be A Student’s Friend” and “High School Award” Programs These two outstanding programs, administered by the Archdiocese of New York, assist students from archdiocesan elementary schools. Maybe decide on figures upfront that you'd be willing to pay (if Duke gives me half off tuition, I'll go- at Gtown I'd need a little more). Offensive scholarship numbers: 42 in English, or M.S. I'm applying ED to ND this cycle, hoping for the best! Many private organizations provide financial assistance to Notre Dame students. I'm also a little concerned that the name doesn't carry as much weight as other schools. I don't think people TRULY appreciate how much money that is. t Associate Professor of Law, Cornell Law School. Faculty Scholarship-Recent Books. That's something that no one else has brought up. If you would like to contribute to an existing scholarship or start up a new scholarship please contact Julie Davis at firstname.lastname@example.org. Depending on what your first job out of school is, no one is going to give a shit that you went to Duke over MN or ND over MN when you're applying for a job down the line after years of experience practicing. The law school is wonderful. Will McDonough Scholarship – Members of the current junior class who participate on one or more sports teams. Professors Emeriti-Teachers Eternal. I think I'm in a good position right now - I have several good options. The five Notre Dame freshmen who appeared in more than four games (Tyree, Mayer, Botelho, Mills, Lewis) were moved up a year to reflect their frequent participation. Feel free to PM me with any questions about South Bend, Notre Dame, etc. If ND can increase their offer I'll go there. I think my Irish Catholic mother would have a heart attack from joy if I attended haha. All applicants for financial aid are considered for club scholarships. If you don't mind Minnesota thats not much of a problem, though. 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